Kohinoor diamond information & question.

by Ricky on January 20, 2004, 12:52:21 PM
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Beena Jain
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«Reply #30 on: November 19, 2004, 02:15:01 AM »
Quote from: "bobby.soni"
Quote from: "Pooja"
baat yaha sirf heere ki ho rahi hai,,,hum kayun bar bar uski tulana kisi aor se kar ke, sahi baat ko khatam karty hai!!!
Discussion hai ki Heera wapis ana chahiye ya nahi!!!
discussion yah nahi hai ki hum is Heere ki tulana kis kis ke sath kar sakty hai!!!
discussion yah bhi nahi hai ki heera wapis ayya to uska kay kaya hoga!!!

Har  debate ke do part hoty hai!!! app ya to sahmat hoty hai ya nahi!!!  

So I am really looking for to the point nice debate here!!!! please do not make jokes for such a serious discussion!!!



pooja you r rite
people r changing their topic by funny shayari or jokes, but reality is that if something belongs to our country it should be brought back to India. its not gud to accquire the things forcibly,  if somebody gift you the thing then its not a problem, but otherwise its not gud

so if that stone belongs to india, it should be in India only


bobby and Pooja ji,

I radically disagree with you because you are both assuming that the Kohinoor diamond belongs to India, when the truth is that it used to belong to India. We lost it to the British. Whatever happend happend, we should, "let dead horses lie" and not rake them up. The time to act was then, to prevent the diamond from leaving India, the time to act is not now, it's too late, too bad!
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Beena Jain
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«Reply #31 on: November 19, 2004, 02:20:45 AM »
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yup sanju humare politicians ne to desh ka beda gark kar ke rakha hua hai. according to the brains, nd resources if properly used what we have in india, we should be on the top, but damn politics.... Shocked  pulling out great India down.... sad5
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Rishi, it's not, "damn politics" as you say because it's poverty that keeps India behind. People will always do what they wish to do so you can't stop some politicians from being corrupt and taking advantage of the poverty. But if we can someohow manage to lessen the poverty in India then the whole political scene can change and so the face of India can change gradually.
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Rishi
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«Reply #32 on: November 19, 2004, 03:23:32 AM »
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well beena, if u go back nd see the history, we were the richest nation in the world....remember...."India:Golden sparrow".
had it not been the damned politics that we would have defended our country against all odds, nd would have kept it like that.
but every now nd then due to somebody's politics we kept giving up to those foreign attackers.
wish we would have taken united stand against all those attacks, we would have been the residents of greatest nation in the world.
Of course our India is still great nd will always be, but than it would have been different. Much different.
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waheed_rose2004
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«Reply #33 on: November 19, 2004, 01:07:16 PM »
kohinoor heera humara tha........humara hi rahega........usko waapas aana chahiye...... woh chahe pather ho ya jo jo kuch bhi ....  woh humare country ki amaanat hai...... to humein milna chahiye..... british govt. ne chori se liya ho ya jabardasti liya ho..... unko chahiye ki humara heera  humein wapas kar dein chahe woh kitne bhi tukde kar diye ho.... ek ek tukda wapas de den..... dooshre makaan se samaan nikaal kar apne makaan mein sajaana acchi baat nahin hoti hai.....jab  humare desh ne kisi se kuch cheena nahin kisi ka kuch churaya nahin to kyon humse koi kuch jabardasti cheene.........

        humare desh ki amanat humare humare desh mein hi honi chahiye.......................................... .
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Rishi
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«Reply #34 on: November 19, 2004, 03:32:32 PM »
Good Waheed Bhai...keep the spirit, we will have it one day....!
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Pooja
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«Reply #35 on: November 19, 2004, 04:59:14 PM »
Beena ji, Give me only one sensible Example for your views:
what I am feeling from your wordings is something like this>>

A kid is snatched by someone and parents were helpless at that time. But after sometime they want to fight and get back their kid. In your views they should let this kid go, bcs they lost him once and just sit with this thinking "Whatever happened happened"!!!!

I am sorry but I am not agree with this!!! Kohinoor may be not a kid for our country, but I am sure it is a Pride. And right now our pride is in hand of British and we MUST get back that to India!!!!
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waheed_rose2004
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«Reply #36 on: November 19, 2004, 05:12:15 PM »
tum sahi kah rahi ho pooja..............  tum sahi  kah rahi ho..........
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Pooja
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«Reply #37 on: November 19, 2004, 05:32:55 PM »
Thanks Waheed_rose!!!! waiting for Beena ji's reply!!!!
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Beena Jain
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«Reply #38 on: November 20, 2004, 06:31:30 AM »
Quote from: "Rishi"
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well beena, if you go back nd see the history, we were the richest nation in the world....remember...."India:Golden sparrow".
had it not been the damned politics that we would have defended our country against all odds, nd would have kept it like that.
but every now nd then due to somebody's politics we kept giving up to those foreign attackers.
wish we would have taken united stand against all those attacks, we would have been the residents of greatest nation in the world.
Of course our India is still great nd will always be, but than it would have been different. Much different.
**


Rishi, I don't think any maharaaja in India gave into any foreign attacks because there were none initially. The Britishers created fooot between the rajaa's or in other words they turned them against each other and capitalized on gaining more and more control. That's the reason I think Gandhiji united the whole of India and then focussed more upon "non-cooperation" than on "non-violence" which is why the British had to leave India. The whole of India went dead on the British. How can one rule a dead economy? One can't, so they packed their bags and quit. I think they got tit for tat because initially they won by dividing and so they  lost by our uniting. As to greatness, it's true India used to be called, "the golden bird" but I don't think any country is great because of riches, it is great because the people are happy!
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Beena Jain
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«Reply #39 on: November 20, 2004, 06:49:22 AM »
Quote from: "Pooja"
Beena ji, Give me only one sensible Example for your views:
what I am feeling from your wordings is something like this>>

A kid is snatched by someone and parents were helpless at that time. But after sometime they want to fight and get back their kid. In your views they should let this kid go, bcs they lost him once and just sit with this thinking "Whatever happened happened"!!!!

I am sorry but I am not agree with this!!! Kohinoor may be not a kid for our country, but I am sure it is a Pride. And right now our pride is in hand of British and we MUST get back that to India!!!!


Pooja ji since you agree that Kohinoor is not a kid then don't take that analogy or that will be considered manipulation and in my eyes this kind of manipulation is very bad. For example, some spouses will portray their spouse as unethical, un-principled in the affidavit during a divorce when their spouse is not. If you ask them the reason they will tell you that they did it so that from then on the judge will look at their spouse in that light. It makes a lot of difference you need to understand that. So in your example, afterwards when you say that the diamond is not the same as the kid, true, but the damage is already done! Since a stone and a kid are two very different scenarios, why did you take that example when it didn't apply? As for pride, my dear, pride lies in the person and not in some Kohinoor diamond. We lost the diamond but never our pride.
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sanju
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«Reply #40 on: November 20, 2004, 09:02:55 AM »
yes vry ture i agree in whole beena ji..!
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Beena Jain
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«Reply #41 on: November 20, 2004, 05:07:33 PM »
Quote from: "waheed_rose2004"
kohinoor heera humara tha........humara hi rahega........usko waapas aana chahiye...... woh chahe pather ho ya jo jo kuch bhi ....  woh humare country ki amaanat hai...... to humein milna chahiye..... british govt. ne chori se liya ho ya jabardasti liya ho..... unko chahiye ki humara heera  humein wapas kar dein chahe woh kitne bhi tukde kar diye ho.... ek ek tukda wapas de den..... dooshre makaan se samaan nikaal kar apne makaan mein sajaana acchi baat nahin hoti hai.....jab  humare desh ne kisi se kuch cheena nahin kisi ka kuch churaya nahin to kyon humse koi kuch jabardasti cheene.........

        humare desh ki amanat humare humare desh mein hi honi chahiye.......................................... .


Thanks Sanju! And waheed ji, aap bahut bhholey ho bhholey he raho, duniya mein bhholey bahut kam milthey hein. Aur kisi ka kuchh chura kei koi apney yahaan sajaa nahin saktha kyunki chori ka maal kabhhi sajtha nahin kisi pei.
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Beena Jain
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«Reply #42 on: November 21, 2004, 08:41:45 PM »
No comments? Kuchh bhhool ho gayi?  :sadblue:
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akela
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«Reply #43 on: November 22, 2004, 05:06:46 PM »
Usual Smile  Usual Smile u have some terrible misunderstandings beena ji.I dun wanna say anything,cauz it's ur way of thinking..... :? .but iam sorry to say that ur way of thinking is wrong....ahm at least in my openion :oops: .I can give u a long long debate on that  but it will be of no use glasses2 .Jus think like this that soldiers of two countries fighting over a lil piece of land....they dont know each other....but they know they have to fight ,perhaps for the sake of their country.............. Usual Smile
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Beena Jain
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«Reply #44 on: November 22, 2004, 06:07:44 PM »
akela ji, as soon as you give me an example of, "terrible misunderstandings" on my part and how my, "way of thinking is wrong" as you emphasize above, I will take this discussion further. It is very easy to say that someone is wrong, but if you don't substantiate that with examples then it's a lie. So as soon as you let me know how and why my thinking is wrong, I'll discuss more on this topic with you otherwise I won't because there would be no point as you find something "wrong" with my thinking. I will still discuss this topic with others though. Oh! And one more thing, if you don't come here and clarify why you criticised me, in the future I will not respond to any shaayari or post of yours anymore. Don't think that you can come here and criticise without any reason and so badly and get away with it and that there will be no consequences, ok?
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