seekhna-sikhaana.. (by vb)

by vb on December 15, 2013, 12:12:11 AM
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«Reply #15 on: December 16, 2013, 10:01:22 PM »
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buhat shukriya aap ka..
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«Reply #16 on: December 17, 2013, 03:37:36 AM »
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mazHur jee! maazrat chahtay hen k aap ko hamaray comments men narazgi mehsoos hui, halaan-k hamaray alfaz men kahin kuch aisa nahi k naraz-gi ka ehsaas ho... may be aap ko aisa is liyay laga ho ku k aap expect nahi kar saktay hon gay k aap tu muzahqa-khez andaz men baat karen aur doosra phir bhe naraz na ho.. so hamaray reply ko aap ne usi tone men parha, jaisa aap ne comment kiya...

hum ne yehi kaha k hamen ghalati nahi mili... jawaban aap ko chahiyay k is beher k arakeen bayan kar den, aur prove kar den k ghalati kya hay, taa-kay hamari tas'hee ho... agar aap beher k araakeen aur taqtee k asoolon say waqif nahi, tu bhe koi buri baat nahi... jis jaga aap ko misray k rhythm men problem mehsoos ho rahi hay us ki nishan-dahi farmaen takay hum apni mehdood aqal k hisaab say tajziya karen... agar kisi waja say ye bhe mumkin nahi tu bhe hum thankful hen aap k... k jahan problem feel hua aap ne bata diya.. hum zehen men rakhen gay or kabhi moka mila tu shayad problem ko durust kar saken...

hum ne footnote men khud he likh rakha hay... k jahan kuch problem feel ho, hamen mutalaa kiya jayay... so you are most welcome chahay jis mood men bhe comment karen... hum sub logon say kuchh seekh he letay hen.. kuchh tu log sikha jatay hen.. aur kuchh hum khud he seekh letay hen logon say... jaisay aap ki di gai misaal say na sirf aap ka sikhaya ye seekha k lafz 'Pankhary' hota hay 'fankhary' nahi.. aisay he ye bhe seekha k lafz 'nazuki' hota hay, 'najuki' nahi...

aap ne jis sher ki misaal di, hum ne is par bhe apnay sher ko parkha lekin khaami phir bhe na pakar sakay.. Ustad Barkat Ali Khan sahab ki gai hui is ghazal k saath apnay sher ko bhe gun-guna kar dekha... taa-haal hamaray sher ki ghalati aap ki tavaju ki muntazir hay...

shukriya k sath...


Mujhe afoas he ke mein ne nahaq aapki ghazal ka tanqeedi jaiza le kar ghalati kee....agar aap taqte'e aur behar o urooz me dilchaspi rakhte hein jiasa k zahir he to aapk0
Altaf Hussain Hali ki tasneef MUQADDAMA SHER O SHAIRY zaroor parhni chahye...aapko her baat ka jawab mil jaye ga.


afsoas he ke aap ka ye shair bhi wazan se gira hua nikla...

''Chaar din bus guzaar len yaaN par''

Cha Rdin bus Guzar Len Yaan per....ye apki taqtee he

doosray ashaar kee taqtee ye he ..

Chaa rdin bus guzaar lenyaaN par
Hum nekya see khna, sikhaa na hay

Kar rahay hen kisi saybaa ten hum
Sha yari tu faqat bahaa na hay

aur zara is per bhi ghor farmaiye!!

'Chho rdo in ''ko naseehat'' karna
Raa staa khud inhen banaa na hay''

FAA ELUN FA ELUN MAFA EE LUN....YE TU BEHAR HUI!!

Khair andesh
Mazhur





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«Reply #17 on: December 17, 2013, 09:38:19 PM »
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Mujhe afoas he ke mein ne nahaq aapki ghazal ka tanqeedi jaiza le kar ghalati kee....


Janab! abhi tak k comments k tabadlay say hum yehi nateeja nikaal sakay hen, k aap k ehsaasaat hamaray comments k muhtaaj nahi.. yaani aap kuch bhe, kabhi bhe mehsoos kar saktay hen... aur raaqim-ul-haroof ko is par koi qudrat nahi...


agar aap taqte'e aur behar o urooz me dilchaspi rakhte hein

hum samajhtay hen k shayari seekhnay k tamam khawahish-mandon ko is men dil-chaspi honi chahiyay...



aapk0
Altaf Hussain Hali ki tasneef MUQADDAMA SHER O SHAIRY zaroor parhni chahye...aapko her baat ka jawab mil jaye ga.

buhat shukriya aap ne book suggest ki.. is book ko samajhna nisbatan mushkil hay.... is gharaz say hum ne isay 7th number pr study karnay k liyay rakha hay.. baaki 6 books kuch aasaan andaaz men baat karti hen...

afsoas he ke aap ka ye shair bhi wazan se gira hua nikla...

''Chaar din bus guzaar len yaaN par''

Cha Rdin bus Guzar Len Yaan per....ye apki taqtee he


is par hum zyada baat nahi karen gay ku k ye misra zer-e-behes nahi..... ilawa azeeN ake naya silsila chal niklay ga... jo munasib maaloom nahi ho raha... haan ye zaroor kahen gay... k is ki taqtee aap ne ba-shamool-e-saakinaat he kar di hay... may be aap ne aisa hamari samajh k liyay kiya ho... lekin agar aisa nahi.. tu hamaray ilm men izaafa hua k taqtee ka ye tareeqa bhe kahin murrawaj hay...



doosray ashaar kee taqtee ye he ..

Chaa rdin bus guzaar lenyaaN par
Hum nekya see khna, sikhaa na hay

Kar rahay hen kisi saybaa ten hum
Sha yari tu faqat bahaa na hay


yahan aap ne usi misray ki taqtee different tareekay say kar di hay... jisay pehlay aap aur tarah kar chukay hen... lekin aap k ilm k havalay say hamen yaqeen hay k ye faqat chhoti say ghalti hay jo kisi say bhe ho sakti hay...  mazeed nahi kahen gay kuchh k ye bhe hamaray subject ka hisaa nahi..


aur zara is per bhi ghor farmaiye!!

'Chho rdo in ''ko naseehat'' karna
Raa staa khud inhen banaa na hay''


yahan aa kar baat nikalti hay... k aakhir kaar aap ne ye tu wazeh kiya k aap ko kahan ghalat mehsoos ho raha hay... yehi aap ko buhat shuru men he kar jana chahiyay tha... hum aap k nuqtay ko ab samjhay hen.. sahi kaha hay aap ne... k is men problem hay... jisay hum ne is liyay khaatir men nahi rakha k Meer-o-Ghalib ka muqaabla karnay say tu hum rahay... lekin hamarai na-qas aqal k mutabiq hamara mudd'aa kuchh aisay hay...




sub say pehlay prolem...

cho-R-do      in-ko-na     sihat-ka-na
FAA-E-LUN     FA-E-LUN     MAFA-EE-LUN

(is men "cho-R-do" or "in-ko-na" hum-wazan ho gayay hen... aur "seehat-ka-na" agarch hamaray hisaab say qaabil-e-qabool hay lekin "eehat-ka-na" shayad zyada durust)

is misray ko pehlay kuchh is tarah parh kar dekhen... shayad kuch tarteeb mehsoos ho..

chore do in ko nseehat karna (naseehat k noon ki zabar hazaf hay)



ab Meer ki example ka ye misra... "main jo bola, kaha k ye aawaaz" saakinaat hazaf kar k

may-jo-bo     la-k-ha      k'ye-aa-waz 
FAA-E-LUN     FA-E-LUN     MAFA-EE-LUN
(is men agar Meer sahab hamari tarah "la-ka-ha" kehtay tu "may-jo-bo" k baraber ho jata.. so "la-k-ha" ka zaber hazaf hay)


ab aap ka jaana pehchana misra... beher or sahi...

tere teer e nazar ka maara jaan se kion na jaye?

(yahan aap aakhir men, "jaye" men hamza k saath pooray ake harf "ya" ko sahi samajhtay hen... is ka matlab ye nahi k hum isay ghalat samajhtay hen.. aap hamaray comments wahan parh saktay hen... sirf misaal dena maqsad hay...)



so janab ghalati waqai sher men maujood hay is zabar ko saakin karnay par dar-guzar farmaain...


hamen jitni samajh hay wo itni he hay, agar ab bhe is men hum kuchh ghalti ya mukamaal taur par ghalat keh rahay hen tu bhe maazoor hen k mazeed kuchh keh saken... ku k is say barh kar hamaari samajh/ilm nahi...


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agar is ghazal ka mazmoon dekhen tu aap jaan len gay k ye ghazal wohi kehna chaah rahi hay... jo in comments k tabadlay ki waja say yahan hua hay... ye ghazal yahan saboot k saath rahay gee.. ye achhi baat hay... likhi is liyay thi... k hamen pehlay bhe kuchh tajurbay yahan huay...

guzaarish karen gay.. k aap ghazals par tabsira kartay waqt, sirf ashaar k giray honay ka certificate na day jaya karen.. balkay.. thora sa define kar jaya karen.. taakay hamaari or logon ki tas'hee ho sakay..

maazrat k saath... aap ka buhat waqt liya...


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«Reply #18 on: December 17, 2013, 11:45:01 PM »
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''
cho-R-do      in-ko-na     sihat-ka-na
FAA-E-LUN     FA-E-LUN     MAFA-EE-LUN''

Dear me, 'cho-R-do' aur 'in-ko-na' kahaan se hum wazan ho gaye??

Mera khayal he hum Hassan Siddiqui sahib ko kion na Umpire muqarrar kar lein taake doodh ka doodh aur pani ka pani ho jaye??
Mere khayal mein woh shairy per uboor rakhte hein....aur Qabil e Ehtaram hein.


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«Reply #19 on: December 18, 2013, 12:01:59 AM »
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janaab!

wesay tu hum aap ki baat par bhe aetibaar karnay k liyay tayaar hen k mashallah hum say buhat behter hen aap... lekin sirf is liyay k shaayad un say bhe kuchh seekhnay ko milay.. hamen koi aetraaz nahi...

agar unhen manzoor ho tu un ki meherbani ho ge.. or hum apni taraf say unhen yaqeen dilaatay hen... k agar hum (yani vb jee) ghalat hoay tu hum is ko dil par na len gay... aur hamaray dil men un ki jitni izzat or qadr-o-manzilat hay us men koi faraq nahi ayay ga...

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«Reply #20 on: December 18, 2013, 12:35:14 AM »
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cho-R-do      in-ko-na     sihat-ka-na
FAA-E-LUN     FA-E-LUN     MAFA-EE-LUN''

Dear me, 'cho-R-do' aur 'in-ko-na' kahaan se hum wazan ho gaye??

Mera khayal he hum Hassan Siddiqui sahib ko kion na Umpire muqarrar kar lein taake doodh ka doodh aur pani ka pani ho jaye??
Mere khayal mein woh shairy per uboor rakhte hein....aur Qabil e Ehtaram hein.




I have sent a PM  to Mr FH Siddiqui requesting him to act as an Umpire ...you too be good enough to send him a PM as well.

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«Reply #21 on: December 18, 2013, 01:32:31 AM »
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Mohtaram ,izzatafzai k loye shukriya.muazrat chahunga.awwal to mera desktop aaj kharab hai,tafseeli jawab tab se nahi se sakta. Doosre ye ki do alimon aur hard headed logon me darmyan mujh adna ka umpire Honda WWF k  umpire jaisa hai .behtar hai k. ' tum apna munh idhar kar lo,WO apna munh udhar kar le'.ya shayed saini sb  aap dono ko barabar se mutmain kar  sake in.
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«Reply #22 on: December 18, 2013, 03:14:07 AM »
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Uff Allah, hum to kuch keh bhi nhi sakte!!
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«Reply #23 on: December 18, 2013, 03:23:21 AM »
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Mohtaram ,izzatafzai k loye shukriya.muazrat chahunga.awwal to mera desktop aaj kharab hai,tafseeli jawab tab se nahi se sakta. Doosre ye ki do alimon aur hard headed logon me darmyan mujh adna ka umpire Honda WWF k  umpire jaisa hai .behtar hai k. ' tum apna munh idhar kar lo,WO apna munh udhar kar le'.ya shayed saini sb  aap dono ko barabar se mutmain kar  sake in.

Aap ka buhat shukriya k tashreef layay... Hum aap k mashvaray ko danish-mandana kahan gay... Maazrat bhe  chahtay hen k invitation dena hamen sahi nahi laga...
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«Reply #24 on: December 18, 2013, 03:39:25 AM »
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Uff Allah, hum to kuch keh bhi nhi sakte!!

Janab esa bhe  nahi... Aap agr hamari tamam comments parhen tu Jaan Len gay k hum ne apni har baat ko as opinion kaha hay... K hamara ilm is qadar he hay....As a fact pesh nahi kiya.. Apnay baaray baar baar yehi kaha k hamen apnay naqas ilm pr bharosa nahi... Hum aap k ilm ki respect krtay hen... Or apnay say behtar he samajhtay hen... So koi taqraar nahi...

Pehaly bhe  hum ne kaha k ye naakaam ghazal kehnay ki koshish he is liyay ki thi k seekhnay/sikhanay say parhez karna hamaray (vb k) liyay behter hay... Agar phir bhe  aap isay case samajh kar jeetna chahtay hen tu... Ye haara hua shakhs iqraar-e-jurm krta hay...

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«Reply #25 on: December 18, 2013, 04:02:32 AM »
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Janab esa bhe  nahi... Aap agr hamari tamam comments parhen tu Jaan Len gay k hum ne apni har baat ko as opinion kaha hay... K hamara ilm is qadar he hay....As a fact pesh nahi kiya.. Apnay baaray baar baar yehi kaha k hamen apnay naqas ilm pr bharosa nahi... Hum aap k ilm ki respect krtay hen... Or apnay say behtar he samajhtay hen... So koi taqraar nahi...

Pehaly bhe  hum ne kaha k ye naakaam ghazal kehnay ki koshish he is liyay ki thi k seekhnay/sikhanay say parhez karna hamaray (vb k) liyay behter hay... Agar phir bhe  aap isay case samajh kar jeetna chahtay hen tu... Ye haara hua shakhs iqraar-e-jurm krta hay...



vb bhai, aapki batona ne hamein rula kar rakh diya...hum ne tu sirf aik ghalati kee nishandahi kee thee ....koi kisi se bhi muqabila karne ka kabhi soch bhi nahi sakte,,aur aap kee shairy tu bakhuda bahut achi he ....issi tarah FH Siddiqui sahib bhi shair o sukhan ke maahir hein...hum aapki aur unki dono kee bahut izzat karte hein laikin rayay dena koi buri baat bhi tu nahi. Agar aap kahein ge tu hum ainda aapki nigarishaat per apna moonh bund rakhein gay..
Asp ne dekha ho ga ke hum ne janab FH Siddiqui sahib kee bhi aik ghazal per apni rayay dee thee...maqsad seekhna sikhane he....
hum bhi talib e ilm hein aur saari umr bhi seekhein tu ilm ka darya par nahi kar saktay. AApko hamari koi baat buri lagi ho tu muafi chahta hoon....
Enjoy this song on Utube...
Lo jee hum haray pia
 Hui teri  jeet ray!
Kahay ka jhagra baalam
teri meri preet ray!!
(lyrics of an old song?? don't remember the name of the movie, though.)

Sab ke lab per tera fasana he
Her soo bajta tera tarana he

vb naHaq hua he hum se khafa
Hato! mein ne usse manana he!!

khush raho, ay dost!!


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«Reply #26 on: December 18, 2013, 09:00:33 PM »
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bhai !

is qadar khaloos ka shukriya... aap ne raayay ka izhaar kar k koi ghalati nahi ki... bakol Voltaire "I may totally disapprove of what you say, but i defend to the death your right to say it".. so kisi ki raayay doosron ki support ki muhtaaj nahi hoti... or hamen koi khafgi nahi aap say... agar aap ko kahin kuch hamara kaha bura laga hay... tu wo bhe na hamaari ghalati hay na aap ki... hamaray tajurbaat kehtay hen k hum chaahay jitna bhe maazrat kar k kisi say kalaam karen... har do jumlay k baad apni kam-ilmi ka zikr karen.. phir bhe log khafa ho jatay hen.. ku hotay hen, ye tu hamen nahi pata, lekin is ka saaf matlab ye hay... k hamaray andaaz-e-bayaaN men kuchh kharaabi hay... so bura manaanay ka hamaray paas koi javaaz nahi hay... such poochheyay tu hamen jaaiz-tanqeed tu kya, tanqeed barayay tanqeed, tazheeq, tehqeer balkay tazleel tak bardaasht karnay ki aadat....

haan! aap ko agar koi baat buri lagi ho.. tu kisi divaanay ki baat samajh kar maaf kejay ga...

aap ko ilm men apnay aap say behtar paaya... aap k comments jo kahin kiyay aap ne wo parhay aur andaaza lagaya aap k ilm ka... aap ki apni ghazal par hum ne pehel ki, sirf hayrat k aalam men.. k ye ghalatiyaN aap ki ghazal men nahi ho sakteeN... aap ne jis tarah hamary har point ko samajh liya, balkay hamari bhe ghalati us men nazar aai.. tu aap say buhat mutaasir huay... hum aap ki qadr-o-manzilat say waqif hen so aap ka uthaya nuqta hamari tas'hee k liyay behtar hay...

aap k closing ash'aar buhat khoob hen....

haan Winking
agar aisa kar len...


vb naHaq khafa hua hum se"    :p

shukriya or maa'zrat k saath


vb jee

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