Let's Teach and Learn the Techniques of Shayari ! -Panna 5:Shayari ki Batein- Sawaal Jawaab

deepika_divya

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«Reply #60 on: February 04, 2010, 11:10:36 AM »

Quote from: madhuwesh on February 04, 2010, 10:54:02 AM

main bhi ek koshish karti hoon.

UNKE HAR EK ADAA BHI KITNA AJEEB HAI
JISSE CHAHE KARDE GHAYAL APNE NIGAHON SE
BAN SAWAR KE AATE HAI ISS MAHEFIL MEIN
KARKE GHAYAL CHALE JAATE HAI ISS MAHEFIL SE
UNKE HAR EK ADAAYE BHI KITNA AJEEB HAI

Sophi ji mujhe aap sabke help chaiye.

Madhuwesh ji aapne bahoot Acha likha hai... Par wahi meter ki kami hai ...

Aap bhi Hum sab ki tarah pehle Meter ko samaj le.. fir hum sab sath milkar Kuch naya likhenge aur apni Kala ka sahi pradarshan kar sakenge... Jo aage humare bahoot kaam aayega !

Thank you !


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KOYAL46

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Re: Let's Teach and Learn the Techniques of Shayari !

«Reply #61 on: February 04, 2010, 11:12:43 AM »

Aabhaari hu aap sab ki...Khaas taur se....
Divya-di,Riyaz-bhai,Geet-di,Aakaash-ji and Waquif-ji ki....
Bahut sunder dhang se samjhaya hai aap sab ne....lots of flowers for U all.... icon_flower

Maff kijeeyega hum ne poetry likhne ki koi taalim nahi lee hai....
Hum tou kewal kafia milane ki aur lines ki lambaayee equal rakhane ki koshish karte rahe hain..
jo aapko hamaari jayadakar pesh-kash mai nazar aayegi....

Main aksar pratikriya he wyakt karti hu.....
Aur wo instant hota hai...without any rough work...
Laghu aur Guru ka tou kabhi khayaal he nahi kiya (ise jara vistaar se samjhaiye)

Koshish karte hain dekhiye kahaan tak safalta milti hai....


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deepika_divya

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Re: Let's Teach and Learn the Techniques of Shayari !

«Reply #62 on: February 06, 2010, 11:09:26 AM »

Woo .. Thanks Kaash ji... aapne itna acha lesson diya... This is really gonna help new as well as old members like me Usual Smile

Abhi waise iss meter mea bahoot kuch aata hai... But jaisa kaash ji na kaha .. seeko aur likho... but iska yea matlab nahi ki likhna chod do....

Likhte raho jaisa dil kare... par saath saath sudaar bhi laate jao... Usual Smile

Thanks again Ansari ji, Riyaz ji and Kaash ji !


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KOYAL46

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Re: Let's Teach and Learn the Techniques of Shayari !

«Reply #63 on: February 06, 2010, 11:12:58 AM »

Thanks a lot Aakaashji....
Kya ye samjhe k maatra lag jaane se laghu Guru ban jaata hai...

l..laghu
la..guru
G..LAGHU
GA.. GURU
JARA CLEAR KAR DEIN.....


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KOYAL46

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Re: Let's Teach and Learn the Techniques of Shayari !

«Reply #64 on: February 06, 2010, 12:13:56 PM »

Theek kaha Aakaashji aapne....
mujhe bahoot padhna padega...
Koshish karti hu dekhiye...

Aapka bahout bahout aabhaar.....


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drpandey

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Re: Let's Teach and Learn the Techniques of Shayari !

«Reply #65 on: February 08, 2010, 09:18:05 AM »

Quote from: waquif ansari on February 04, 2010, 10:00:19 AM

Pyaare dosto! Is section meiN aaya to aap logon se guftugu karne ko dil chaaha. KOYAL Sahiba k sher ko baDi khoobsurti k saath Janaab Riyaz Saheb ne bahr (meter) ki qaid meiN laakar sher meiN dobaalgi ata kar di. Riyaz Saheb ne badi tafseel se meter (bahr) k ramooz-o-nukaat samjhaaye. Sher kya hai, sher kise kahte haiN, isko samajhna bahut zaroori hai warna sirf jumloN k aakhri lafz ya kafiyoN ko badal dena hi sher nahiN hai. Sher kahne k qaide-qaanoon Mr Riyaz Saheb ne badi had tak samjha diye haiN. Is se ye ilm hua k sher ko hum-wazn likha jata hai jise urf-aam meiN chhand, bahr waghaira kahte haiN. Baghair chhand ya meter k koi bhi alfaazoN ka samooh sher nahiN kahlaayega. Ab aap KOYAL Saheba ka jo sher (Zamaana rokta to hai magar kab koi rukta hai…..Koi bhi apne guzre kal ko kaise bhool sakta hai) Janaab Riyaz Saheb ne durust kiya hai, use dekhiye, jiske arkaan haiN:

Mafayeelun……. Mafayeelun…. Mafayeelun…….. Mafayeelun

Ise number meiN yuN bhi samjha ja sakta hai:

1+2+2+2……....…..1+2+2+2……….......1+2+2+2………….....1+2+2+2

Ab KOYAL Sahiba k sher ko is tarah tauliye:

Za maa na ro…...k ta to hai……....ma gar kab ko….…yee ruk ta hai
Ko i bhi ap…..….ne guz re kal....ko kai se bhoo……l sak ta hai

Is tarah hum ne dekha k KOYAL Sahiba ka sher kaise durust hua. MaiN ye kahna zaroori samajhta hooN k koi bhi sher, ghazal waghaira aap kaheN to use muhalle k kisi maanind Shaayar, Kavi do dikhla deN, uske baad hi yahaN post kareN. Koi bhi Shaayar ya Kavi ise dekhne k baad aapko zaroori maalumaat baham pahuNcha sakta hai, warna puri zindagi be-masraf ki tukbandi karte hue guzar jaayegi jo siwaaye waqt ki barbaadi ke ilaawah kuchh bhi nahiN hai. Aur aakhir meiN chalte chalte aap sab se darkhwast hai k mujh se agar koi talkh-kalaami ho gayee ho to baraye mehrbaani maaf kijiyega.

Quote from: @kaash on February 06, 2010, 01:06:51 PM

dekhiye arkaan aur feet both are same

hum arkaan ko kaise likhte hain ye samajhne vali baat hai
jo ki bahut asaan hai

hum jaise voice karte hain see its all about weighing the words

If you were to say “va-za-n” and pronounce each sound seperately, you will notice that you are not able to pronounce the word properly, hence the proper pronounciation of the word depends on you uttering out these two sounds distinctly, that is “vaz-n”. Incidently, this proper pronouncation of the word is known as ‘talaffuz’ in Urdu, a word you may encounter in your studies of the Urdu Meter. Getting back to “vazn” which means weight (by the way), now that we know it is made of two distinct sounds and if we say these sounds, then the “talaffuz” of the word is proper and accepted, what about these sounds? Can we quantify them? Sure we can. There are two type of sounds, a long sound and a short sound. In general (and you will see this pattern a lot), a short sound is simply a consonant with perhaps a vowel sound while a long sound is two consonents bound together with a vowel. In our case, “vaz-n” has one long sound (vaz) and one short sound (n). This generalizes a lot of things but if we were to assign a quantity to the long and short sound, lets give 2 to long and 1 to short and now look at the weight of Vazn or basically the vazn of vazn, it becomes: 2-1

YANI SHORT SOUND KE LIE 1 IS ASSIGNED AND 2 IS FOR LONG SOUND

duniyaa (dun-yaa) -> 2-2 (did you get that right? did you break it down as du-ni-yaa? More on this later)
mausam (mau-sam) -> 2-2
fazaa (fa-zaa) -> 1-2
gardish (gar-dish) -> 2-2
khoobsoorat (khoo-b-soo-rat) -> 2-1-2-2

yahi I ko 1 and G ko 2 kah sakte hain jo ki laghu aur guru hain.

isi tarah se hum sher bhi samajh sakte hain

bus ise hi samajhna hai ab alag alag meter hain jaise ramal,jazaaj,rajaaz
unme aise hi jo meter hai vo hi poori ghazal/poem me follow karega

meter hum khud bhi bana sakte hain

itna khyaal rakhna hai ki words ki matrayen sari lines me ek rahen

an example of a simple meter

1 2 2 1 2 2 1 2 2 1 2 2
ye mahalo.n, ye taKto.n, ye taajo.n kii duniyaa
ye inasaa.n ke dushman samaajo.n kii duniyaa
ye daulat ke bhuukhe rivaazo.n kii duniyaa
ye duniyaa agar mil bhii jaaye to kyaa hai

it requires little attention n practice.

thanks all of u

Quote from: @kaash on February 06, 2010, 11:27:10 AM

Sophi ji,thanks
Koyal ji,since u r not much aware of this u need to read,learn n understand a lot,i have mentioned a thrd regarding it above.
pls go through it,we are all learning from each other also.
isko example ke saath bhi samajhne ki koshish karen

well for now go through this:
these all are there on net we just have to read,understand n implement.
Each syllable is a 'l' or a 'Ga' a 'small syllable' or a 'large syllable' respectively.
The letters that end with following vowels are classified as 'small syllable' : a, I, u, o, e.
The letters that end with following vowels are classified as 'large syllable' : o, e, AA, ee, oo, au, ai.

If a letter is a small consonant (l) but is followed by a letter with two consonents as 'ka' in 'kashti' that letter becomes a large syllable.

Also note that a single large syllable in a baher can be split into two small ones. But if a baher has two small syllables adjacent to each other, you can not combine the two and make it into a single large syllable.

Step 2 Each word made of one or several syllables has wazan (weight) made of its individual syllables - in the sequence of its syllables.

Examples :
Lakeer - lGal
ladaai - lGal
lamhaa - GaGa
aa'inaa- GalGa
Gaanaa - GaGa
dhoop - Gal
chupke - llGa or lll or GaGa Gal
(in 'chupke chupke raat din aansoo bahaanaa yaad hai' the firsh chupke is alloted the space of 'Gal' and the second 'chupke' is allotted the space of 'GaGa'. This is the flexibility afforded by allowing vowel 'e' as both 'l'and 'Ga'.)

Step 3 : Words are arranged so that they fall in the 'mold' of a meter.

Flexibility :

1. 'e' and 'o' are both considered valid as being considered 'Ga' or 'l'. This gives tremendous flexibility. (in 'chupke chupke raat-din aansoo bahaanaa yaad hai' the first chupke is alloted the space of 'Gal' and the second 'chupke' is allotted the space of 'llGa' or 'GaGa'. This is the flexibility afforded by allowing vowel 'e' as both 'l' and 'Ga'.)

2. A plain syllable at the end of the misra is allowed without any 'wazan'.
(For example :
hai bas ki har ik unke ishaare me.n nishaa.N aur
karate hai.n muhabbat to guzarataa hai gumaa.N aur
hai.n aur bhii duniyaa me.n suKhanavar bahut achchhe
kahate hai.n ki 'Ghalib' kaa hai a.ndaaz-e-bayaa.N aur

The final 'r' in first second and fourth misraa is I addition to the meter of the third misraa but since it's a plain sound at the end, it is just allowed to be there. As a result you can use a entire extra consonant in your misraa.

Behad achchhi jaankari ke liye @kaash ji aur Waquif Sahab ko Dhanybaad


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Re: Let's Teach and Learn the Techniques of Shayari !

«Reply #66 on: February 09, 2010, 06:28:59 AM »

Kash ji aapka bahut shukriya ke aapne behr jaise important subject par almost sabhi zaruri information yahan jutaai hain. Maine is thread mein shayari ke liye behr ki zaroorat par zor diya tha aur mujhe khushi hai ke kuchh members ne is baat ko samjha aur iski zaroorat ko mehsoos karte hue ise seekhne mein dilchaspi dikhai aur apne apne taur par koshish bhi kar rahe hain.

Kash ji aapne behr seekhne ke liye net se ya doosre sources se jo jaankari jutaai hai wo sufficient hai. Agar in sab ko dhyan se padha jaaye, samjha jaye to behr ko seekha asaan ho jayega.

Halanke behr ya meter shayari ke liye behad Important cheez hai lekin 5-6 members jaise Sophi ji, Koyal ji, BBL ji, Dr.Pandey ji, Kash ji aur mere alaawa kisi ne isme dilchaspi nahi dikhai.Waqif sahib to khair ustaade-fanne-shayari hain. Beherhaal jo jaankari Kash ji,Waqif sahab aur maine provide ki hai sabko chahiye usse fayeda uthaayen.


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KOYAL46

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Re: Let's Teach and Learn the Techniques of Shayari !

«Reply #67 on: February 09, 2010, 06:48:08 AM »

Bahoot sahi kaha hai Riyaz-bhai aap ne.....
Dr.Pandey, Aakaashji aur Waqifsaab sab ne bahoot he
accha contribution kiya hai es xshetra mai....
Sabhi Dhanaywaad k paatra hai..... Applause

Ab hum eska kitna faayda utha paate hain ye hum par hai...


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Re: Let's Teach and Learn the Techniques of Shayari !

«Reply #68 on: March 22, 2010, 06:17:58 PM »

Hello friends,

I am new to this area... need a lot of guidance...

Likhta hoon kabhi kabhi... par aaj kal kuch aadat si ban gayi hai... par kya likhta hoon mujhe khud bhi nahi pata ... aap sabhi bade bade lekhako aur lekhikaaon k bich to main kuch bhi nahi hoon... aap log mere kavitaaon ko padhen aur batayein ki main kya kya sudhaar la sakta hoon unme...

meri ek kavita

tu hi tu hai mere har ghazal me,
mere har khayal pe tera bas tera hi naam hai,
tere hone se meri zindagi poori thi,
tere bina ab adhuri meri har subah har shaam hai...


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Re: Let's Teach and Learn the Techniques of Shayari !

«Reply #69 on: March 22, 2010, 06:33:21 PM »

Welcome to yoindia klaskar ji...apka bahut bahut shukriya ki aapne apni lekhi yahan hamare beech share ki..lekhak hamesha dil se likhte hai isliye aksar unki rachnao ka prabhav unpe jitna hota hai utna hi samne wale per ho tab hi unki lekhi safal hoti hai jaise ki apki ye chaar lines mein bahut hi khubsurat aur nadaan sa ehsas hai judai ka..merri nazar mein ye ek bahut hi umda shayari hai..baaki hamare sathi monitors aur members ka kya kehna hai ye unki raaye janne k baad h pata chalega..well written n once again to yoindia......

Thnx!


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Re: Let's Teach and Learn the Techniques of Shayari !

«Reply #70 on: March 22, 2010, 06:52:54 PM »

Bahut bahut shukriya jo apne humari kavita ko saraha ... kuch kamiyaan ho to jarur bata dena ...


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brokenbyluv

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Re: Let's Teach and Learn the Techniques of Shayari !

«Reply #71 on: March 22, 2010, 06:57:07 PM »

ji zarur...


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loser guy

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Re: Let's Teach and Learn the Techniques of Shayari !

«Reply #72 on: March 19, 2012, 07:45:17 AM »

i wanna learn shayari,,,help me plz


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Kaptan Singh

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Re: Let's Teach and Learn the Techniques of Shayari !

«Reply #73 on: June 02, 2013, 01:31:46 AM »

hi i want to lrean made shayari so can any body help me i will try to many times or maine apni shayri or lines maere frnds ko bhi btai to unhone to ye he bola ki bahut achi hai lines but mai chahta hu ki muje is mamle mai thoda or gyaan ho kyu ki shayari ke ander kaafi aise word hotr hai jinhe samj nahi ata ki inka matlab kya hota hai i mean kaafi urdu ke words bhi hote hai to plzzz help me that how to write best heart touching lines plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz help me

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ateet

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Re: Let's Teach and Learn the Techniques of Shayari !

«Reply #74 on: July 14, 2013, 07:04:07 PM »

mausam ki aad me mijaz ko sambhal nhi paya,
majboor kamiyan itni k bhr nhi paya,
jal gaya khud woh samndar kuch yun k 'ateet',
barish k mausam me bhi buza nhi paya


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