Should the right to delete Abusive/vulgar/mean reply not be given to the thread owner

[@Kaash]

Kya yoindia par kisi ko bhi adhikaar hai kuch bhi likh dene ka?
Kya aisi manmaani karne waalon ko rokne me yoindia vifal hai?
Kya aisi mean harkat(abusive words/languages) bolne waalon ki wajah se
kai achhe members chale jaate hain?
Kya mods ye sab dekhke bhi anjaan bane rahte hain ya unhe is baat ka intzaar rahta hai ki unme pm/report kiya jaaye tab wo aise words hatayenge?

I have posted this thread on march 4 2010
  

http://www.yoindia.com/shayariadab/tanziya-aur-tehreekbaksh-shayariyan/mata-pita-ko-kyun-bhoolte-ja-rahe-hain-hum-t54651.0.html


On Nov 2011 one person gave this comment

sadi k baad y orte q ma baap se beto ko dur kar deti hai
ese orate bahut ............ hoti hai mere bhai in se bacna DELETED BECAUSE OF ABUSIVE WORD.It will be deleted from the original post too.

this comment which has a dirty abusive word is still shown in the quotes of some members. The post is being read around 10000 times and these wordings have not been deleted.

I again request to delete this and protect the feelings of poet/poetess on Yoindia.
Aise mean comment karke aise log achhe aadmi ko bhi apne jaisa mean banane me majbur karte hain aur unhe isi me apni jeet lagti hai. I request to delete my last comment over there also.

I request fellow members to report such things immediately to the mod/admin or make a thread like this.
I request mod to pls take immediate action whenever ther see such activity on forum.
We must not avoid this bcoz it can happen with anyone.
I would also say that RATHER THAN REPORTING SUCH ISSUES TO ANY MOD,SUCH RIGHTS OF DELETION MUST BE GIVEN TO THE MEMBERS OTHERWISE IN WHICH WAY WE ARE SECURING OUR POET/POETESS. ANYONE CAN SAY ANYTHING ON ANYONE'S POST AND THE THREAD STARTER CAN NOT DO ANYTHING.

Thanks!

[Shihab]

Bahut Khub Kaash Bhai...
Meri Shayari Ki Reps Mein Bhi Aisa
Bahut Baar Ho Chuka Hai Jisme
Khullam Khulla Gaaliyan Baki Gayi Hain
Ya Bure Se Bure Shabdon Ka Istemal Hua Hai
Haala Ki Maine PM Karke Delete Karwa Diye Hain
Par Ye Kya Baat Hui PM Karna Pade Tabhi Delete Ho
Ye Sabhi Monitors Aur Admin Ki Zimedari Hai Ki Wo
Aise Shabdon Ko Fauran Delete Kar Den...Agar Wo
Aisa Nahi Kar Sakte To Phir Monitor Se Khudko Hata Den
Aur Usko Monitor Ban Ne Den Jo Iske Kaabil Ho.
Meri Sabhi Monitors Aur Admin Se Request Hai Pls
Aisi Baaton Ke Liye Bhi Time Nikaala Karen Shukariya


Shad o Aabaad Rahiye


Shihab

[sksaini4]

yes yes should bhee immdediately removed mere saath kayeen baaar esaa huaa hai par jaagrook monitors ne ek dum hataa diyaa

[mkv]

Dear Kaash jee and Shihab jee
your concern is genuine. I have deleted all.
actually original qoute was deleted from the thread but wherever they were further qooted by other members were still left out.

I request members not to quote original words used by irresponsible members. Of course, it is the responsibility of all members including moderators and administrator.

Thanks again for being a sincere reader.

You have changed the title asking the deletion powers to all members. Only admin has the answer of this question.




 

[@Kaash]

Dear MKV bro! Thanks for this step but it is not enough. Mere saath hua to maine bola lekin aisa kitno ke saath hota hoga ya hua hai aur unhone sah lia ya batana aawashyak nahi samjha to ye bhi nainsaafi hai na sirf aise genuine members/poet/poetess ke saath balki site ke decorum ke saath bhi. Yahan kai posts daily hoti hain aur replies to aur bhi zyada. Kitne post aur reply ko mod dekh payenge and also every person has a different mentality/emmotions. This is a poetic world, ppl are emmotional they might be hurt by seeing abusive reply and may even not contact mod/admin. I am male but there are many poetess also and is it sound fair to expect that a female will even pm to any mod that she has been abused on her own post/poem and pls delete that. This is just childishness and an insensitive approach if we are expecting it. Therefore it is very important that this particular  AUTHORITY OF DELETING ABUSIVE REPLY must be given to the THREAD OWNER. Isiliye maine thread ka title bhi change kia hai. Thanks!

[@Kaash]

Bahut shukriya Shihab bro and Saini ji jo aap logon ne is sach ki awaaz me mera saath dia. Us waqt maine aisa thread nahi banaaya tha ye sochke ki ye poetry ki dunia hai aisi baaten delete kar di jayengi lekin jab aisa nahi hua to main yahan se chala gaya. Aap logon ka saath dekhke mujhe lagta hai agar us waqt maine thrd banayi hoti to shayad na jaata. Main wapas apne puraane members friends ke lie aaya and ye sochke ki shayad yahan sab thik ho gaya hoga lekin... Aur aaj ye jaankar ki aap jaise senior logon ke saath bhi aisa hota hai dukh hua. Jab hum apne puraane members ko hi aisa unsafe rakhenge to kaise chalega? Ye to is site ya aisi kisi bhi site par pehle din se sunishchit kar dia jana chahiye ki kisi ko bhi vulgar,abusive ya meaningless baaten karne ka adhikaar nahi hai. Aisa jo karte hain wo ya to achha na likh paane ki apni bhadaas/frustrati/jealousy ya kisi tarah is site ko defame karne ke liye bhi kar sakte hain taaki achhe members yahan se chale jayen.  But whatsoever no one can be permitted to use abusive words and also the site must ensure that such dirty practices can not be allowed here. Hume iske SOLUTION par bhi sochna hoga aur required action lena hoga. Mera sujhaav hai ki 1. EVERY MEMBER SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO DELETE SUCH REPLY FROM HIS/HER THREAD. 2. SUCH MEMBER WHOSE REPLY IS DELETED SHOULD BE GIVEN WARNING ONCE AND THEN WILL BE BANNED FROM THE SITE. 3. ANY MEMBER MUST NOT USE THIS RIGHT IN OTHER WAY (DELETING OTHERS GOOD REPLIES FROM HIS/HER THREAD) AND IF DONE THRICE EITHER THIS RIGHT WILL BE REMOVED OR WILL BE TAKEN BACK FOR SOME PERIOD. Is tarah se hum  baaki members ko ek SAFE POETIC AND FAMILIAR ENVIRONMENT de sakenge saath hi  ABUSIVE COMMENTS KO PERMANENTLY STOP kar sakenge. Thanks!

[iAdmin]

Thank you @Kaash for raising your concern here. I went through your post. First of all I have a request (which is from long time) that is you should ask your question in clear way, use punctuation, try to arrange in parts and make it brief.

It is because literally we have to search for actual questions in your denser posts.

Now coming to your question, I will answer as:
Answer 1 : We can't give that right, it was there when Yoindia Shayariadab was started and it was really big trouble than any help. Every other day we had issue with members loosing their posts, post count reduced and so on. And then we had made system that no posts get deleted permanently but still was very huge trouble. Ultimately, few strict rules were implemented, one was to not let members to delete replies in their own thread.

Answer 2: Definitely anyone who is disturbing Yoindia Shayariadab is not allowed here and will never be.

Answer 3: Answered already in answer #1.

Its user contributed site, it is impossible to keep it clean without help of users , so if one is not complaining then other can. And also sometimes few things get overlooked. But then calling it irresponsible is again sign of irresponsibility. Remember, we all are here volunteer, Yoindia Shayariadab is not commercial site and hope you understand that.


And I request again, please make sure you reply / give your views in structured way. If you remember, I had even explained you very well, in so much details to handle such issues but you always overlooked those suggestion again and again.

[~Hriday~]

 

Thank you @Kaash for raising your concern here. I went through your post. First of all I have a request (which is from long time) that is you should ask your question in clear way, use punctuation, try to arrange in parts and make it brief.

It is because literally we have to search for actual questions in your denser posts.

Now coming to your question, I will answer as:
Answer 1 : We can't give that right, it was there when Yoindia Shayariadab was started and it was really big trouble than any help. Every other day we had issue with members loosing their posts, post count reduced and so on. And then we had made system that no posts get deleted permanently but still was very huge trouble. Ultimately, few strict rules were implemented, one was to not let members to delete replies in their own thread.

Answer 2: Definitely anyone who is disturbing Yoindia Shayariadab is not allowed here and will never be.

Answer 3: Answered already in answer #1.

Its user contributed site, it is impossible to keep it clean without help of users , so if one is not complaining then other can. And also sometimes few things get overlooked. But then calling it irresponsible is again sign of irresponsibility. Remember, we all are here volunteer, Yoindia Shayariadab is not commercial site and hope you understand that.


And I request again, please make sure you reply / give your views in structured way. If you remember, I had even explained you very well, in so much details to handle such issues but you always overlooked those suggestion again and again.

[@Kaash]

Dear Admin,

Members are answering and understanding each and every thing but you are not though you are admin.

I would like to copy paste the same though the title can be read i think.

Should the right to delete Abusive/vulgar/mean reply not be given to the thread owner.

This is the only topic on which we members were sharing our thoughts and as far as yr reply over this is concerned i think it is inappropriate.

Infact your remarks were also poor,discourageous and more mathematical rather than realistic.

Instead of some encouraging words and steps for resolving such issues you have shown only one thing that such things will always happen at Yoindia and no body can stop this.


Well,earlier also you did not show any interest in resolving such main and important issues and this time also.
Well, i am not surprised!

Thanks!

[iAdmin]

@Kaash,
First of all , I am happy to see that you finally responded to our request and replied in structured and organized way, really it was easy to understand you this time.

Now, coming to issue, Yoindia Shayariadab is all about members, we do take all suggestions and advices seriously and if viable then implement too. I hope you have seen many changes in past based on member's advices.  if members does not want to co-operate then we can't do anything either. I explained you everything about it but still you are blaming us. Ofcourse you understand that we can't just change things without thinking about its consequences and effects.

Even if you are not satisfied then I think I am incapable of explaining situations and I regret for that.

[@Kaash]

Dear Admin,

You have said two important statements in this context.

1. Yoindia Shayariadab is all about members, we do take all suggestions and advices seriously and if viable then implement too.

2. we can't just change things without thinking about its consequences and effects.

As far as the second point is concerned we all are seeing the consequences that such abusive/wrong replies have been doing here for a long time.
I am not saying that you give whole right to member to delete his/her thread or replies, i am only saying that at least members should have a right to delete inappropriate reply on their thread, that much freedom can be given to them. Yoindia is more than 10 years old and at this present era everyone likes freedom and atleast no one comes to get abused, so such right should be given to them.
If you yourself think that you are not an admin and only a member here and someone abuses you,how will you feel and there will be no listening of yr voice. Will you come at such place again?
This is the attachment with Yoindia that still such genuine members keep coming. But Yoindia should also care about them.
There is nothing wrong to give such a minor right to the members infact it will be a very positive step.
Can't you just do it for some experimental basis and then if the members are okay with this then it is okay because after-all as you also said that at Yo members suggestions are always welcome and even in this thread also some senior members are also in favour of implementing the same.

I admire your work and therefore i request it.

Please think over it!

Thanks a lot!

[@Kaash]

Dear Admin,

You don't bother even to reply on such an important topic but i have written a poem on a note that to do good things one should not think a lot! Pls go through it
http://www.yoindia.com/shayariadab/miscellaneous-shayri/achhi-baaton-se-parhez-karta-aadmi-buri-baaton-se-zara-bhi-nahi-t109314.0.html

and there is a good news for you,i would also like to say that no need to implement anything halfheartedly.
 
Thanks!

[iAdmin]

These days I am very much occupied, all team members are already aware of that, I can't just comment, I have to read it thoroughly, see all viabilities and then only I can comment , so I will definitely comment here but only when I have quality time to properly attend your post and issues raised here.

[F.H.SIDDIQUI]

Kash ji . I have been reading last few of your posts concerning the conduct and discipline on  this site . Your concerns are ,by and large, genuine and represent the concerns of all serious and well meaning readers of this site . I have also in the past raised  issues like frequency of posts by a single person . Some decisions were taken also to fix limits but were not implemented leaving much to the discipline and good sense  of those making frequent posts thereby depriving many of a proper display / exposure of their  posts . When I became a monitor I also tried to request such members through open posts and PMs to conform to the norms . Such requests were however futile and ultimately I stopped intervening . I then had a feeling , and expressed it too , that a system needed to be evolved such as we have for giving Rau whereby any post in contravention of the set norms are automatically disallowed with a warning .
   Using abusive or a quasi-abusive language ,either in the posts started or in replies and whether directly or indirectly to any member is also a phenomenon , though rare , which affects participation of good members and might have led some members to say good bye to this site. I have myself been victim of abuse at least twice but thanks to the intervention of the then monitors and my good friends on the site steps were taken ton delete some posts .I do agree that it is not possible for admin or even the team of monitors to read every post in detail and we may miss some objectionable posts or portions thereof. It is important that any such case is reported by a reader coming across such posts.   
  This is a good poetry site , most members are poetry lovers and friendly towards each other.It is important that concerns expressed are attended to at the admin 's level and at the same time it is the moral duty of our fraternity of site members to conform to the norms of the site as well as the decencies of the group.

[@Kaash]

Siddiqui ji,thanks for your words!
I agree with your views!